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Poems are exaggerated for sure but I find that is adds to the fun of reading them. .Rd5g7JmL4Fdk-aZi1-U_V{transition:all .1s linear 0s}._2TMXtA984ePtHXMkOpHNQm{font-size:16px;font-weight:500;line-height:20px;margin-bottom:4px}.CneW1mCG4WJXxJbZl5tzH{border-top:1px solid var(--newRedditTheme-line);margin-top:16px;padding-top:16px}._11ARF4IQO4h3HeKPpPg0xb{transition:all .1s linear 0s;display:none;fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-button);height:16px;width:16px;vertical-align:middle;margin-bottom:2px;margin-left:4px;cursor:pointer}._1I3N-uBrbZH-ywcmCnwv_B:hover ._11ARF4IQO4h3HeKPpPg0xb{display:inline-block}._2IvhQwkgv_7K0Q3R0695Cs{border-radius:4px;border:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-line)}._2IvhQwkgv_7K0Q3R0695Cs:focus{outline:none}._1I3N-uBrbZH-ywcmCnwv_B{transition:all .1s linear 0s;border-radius:4px;border:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-line)}._1I3N-uBrbZH-ywcmCnwv_B:focus{outline:none}._1I3N-uBrbZH-ywcmCnwv_B.IeceazVNz_gGZfKXub0ak,._1I3N-uBrbZH-ywcmCnwv_B:hover{border:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-button)}._35hmSCjPO8OEezK36eUXpk._35hmSCjPO8OEezK36eUXpk._35hmSCjPO8OEezK36eUXpk{margin-top:25px;left:-9px}._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP,._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP:focus-within,._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP:hover{transition:all .1s linear 0s;border:none;padding:8px 8px 0}._25yWxLGH4C6j26OKFx8kD5{display:inline}._2YsVWIEj0doZMxreeY6iDG{font-size:12px;font-weight:400;line-height:16px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;padding:4px 6px}._1hFCAcL4_gkyWN0KM96zgg{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-button);margin-right:8px;margin-left:auto;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-errorText)}._1hFCAcL4_gkyWN0KM96zgg,._1dF0IdghIrnqkJiUxfswxd{font-size:12px;font-weight:700;line-height:16px;cursor:pointer;-ms-flex-item-align:end;align-self:flex-end;-webkit-user-select:none;-ms-user-select:none;user-select:none}._1dF0IdghIrnqkJiUxfswxd{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-button)}._3VGrhUu842I3acqBMCoSAq{font-weight:700;color:#ff4500;text-transform:uppercase;margin-right:4px}._3VGrhUu842I3acqBMCoSAq,.edyFgPHILhf5OLH2vk-tk{font-size:12px;line-height:16px}.edyFgPHILhf5OLH2vk-tk{font-weight:400;-ms-flex-preferred-size:100%;flex-basis:100%;margin-bottom:4px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText)}._19lMIGqzfTPVY3ssqTiZSX._19lMIGqzfTPVY3ssqTiZSX._19lMIGqzfTPVY3ssqTiZSX{margin-top:6px}._19lMIGqzfTPVY3ssqTiZSX._19lMIGqzfTPVY3ssqTiZSX._19lMIGqzfTPVY3ssqTiZSX._3MAHaXXXXi9Xrmc_oMPTdP{margin-top:4px} It's an art form. you really have opened my eyes :). If my enemy does not understand something, that’s because he is an idiot. Whoever wants to become a Christian must first become a poet. I had formed no very inaccurate estimate of the probable effect of those Poems: I flattered myself that they who should be pleased with them would read them with more than common pleasure: and, on the other hand, I was well aware, that by those who should dislike them, they would be read with more than common dislike. Utilitarian. When you read poetry you feel this shock and amazement that you are not getting when you are reading a book or any normal writing. I do not see why poetry is taken seriously. advancement in social status, career, wealth, etc.). It's very rare that the mood strikes, and I have to find the right kind of work. 4 years ago. Love makes effort for the loved one. You feel this way even though the poetry writer could very well have been writing the poem in his/or her underwear on a laptop, but we romanticize poetry way more than we do any other way of expressing ourselves. I disagree with your argument as I disagree with the statement: "really good art is often times, usually even, only appreciated by people who have a very sophisticated understanding of the art form.". They have personal connections to what they create and you are almost able to feel what they are feeling. Take a look at Lyrical Ballads (1798 and 1802), and read the preface. Arguments in favor of the view OP is willing to change must be restricted to replies to other comments. /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/IdCard.de628c13230c59091a5d.css.map*/._2JU2WQDzn5pAlpxqChbxr7{height:16px;margin-right:8px;width:16px}._3E45je-29yDjfFqFcLCXyH{margin-top:16px}._13YtS_rCnVZG1ns2xaCalg{font-family:Noto Sans,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:400;line-height:18px;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex}._1m5fPZN4q3vKVg9SgU43u2{margin-top:12px}._17A-IdW3j1_fI_pN-8tMV-{display:inline-block;margin-bottom:8px;margin-right:5px}._5MIPBF8A9vXwwXFumpGqY{border-radius:20px;font-size:12px;font-weight:500;letter-spacing:0;line-height:16px;padding:3px 10px;text-transform:none}._5MIPBF8A9vXwwXFumpGqY:focus{outline:unset} Any art form has its own conventions. ... Share on Reddit reddit. There are many types of poetry, including freeform. /u/LegFinger (OP) has awarded 1 delta(s) in this post. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the nerdfighters community. pages: do you annotate your books? I come back to it later, when I feel like reading something beautiful, something which requires thought on many different levels. He cited the idea of "heightened speech" and said essentially, Romeo and Juliet don't talk like actual teenagers either. Press J to jump to the feed. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. discussing the best ways to murder someone, including through our study of mushrooms. Just like with music theory, just like with painting theory, adding more technical "stuff" won't make it better. A great laugh haha. Please note that multiple violations will lead to a ban, as explained in our moderation standards. You can not know anything about music and still be moved by Bethoven’s fifth symphony (I know it moves me and I am not versed in music theory at all.). hi, you can call me emil faux, (this is pretentious) and i’m not really here. Many, many people watch these regularly because they are accessible. While the entire world is cooped up inside for the coronavirus pandemic, this made me laugh. 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omitted. .ehsOqYO6dxn_Pf9Dzwu37{margin-top:0;overflow:visible}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu{height:24px}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu{border-radius:2px}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu:focus,._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu:hover{background-color:var(--newRedditTheme-navIconFaded10);outline:none}._38GxRFSqSC-Z2VLi5Xzkjy{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._2DO72U0b_6CUw3msKGrnnT{border-top:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);cursor:pointer;padding:8px 16px 8px 8px;text-transform:none}._2DO72U0b_6CUw3msKGrnnT:hover{background-color:#0079d3;border:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-body)} And that is what I mean by poetry being pretentious. 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And this is exactly why Wordsworth and Coleridge undertook the project to create Lyrical Ballads. Most often this is on a long, slow afternoon alone, or a chilled evening with a couple of glasses of wine. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Light rises, sun shines and the day begins. hi, you can call me emil faux, (this is pretentious) and i’m not really here. A reddit community for Nerdfighteria. Consider movies and TV shows. ._3bX7W3J0lU78fp7cayvNxx{max-width:208px;text-align:center} Surely, some poets might write in their underwear in front of their laptop, or sip a latte at Starbucks hoping to be the next poetical genius. Think of it in terms of painting. Poetry To me Is none of that Pretentious tripe The fancy writers Use to describe Their chosen art form "The crying of the soul" "The words the heart speaks When the lips can't open" "A pain so intense That tears become words" Poetry To me Is just words That I'm too… I will quote some parts of the preface, but please read the whole thing if you find it interesting. Advertisement. Ie, it makes no sense to criticize the simplisticness of a stick figure of a man on a bathroom door, and its silly to criticize the Sistine chapel by pointing out how confusing it would be if you tried to use it as a guide for explaining the Bible. You can not know anything about dance but still enjoy aesthetically the artistry of a talented ballet dancer practicing their craft. That is what I mean by poetry being pretentious. See the wiki page for more information. Enter with a mindset for conversation, not debate. So I see that you've already been convinced, but I'll just barge in to add my own two cents, because I really like poetry and I hope I can share my love with you: Here is some prose from u/toaster404 on post-war Britain. That Picasso was pretentious for not painting things as they were instead of exaggerating the object? ), However, not all poems and poets are pretentious. quill: how would you describe your writing style? By this, we can derive that the reader of poetry has a set of expectations that she wishes the author to meet. ._2cHgYGbfV9EZMSThqLt2tx{margin-bottom:16px;border-radius:4px}._3Q7WCNdCi77r0_CKPoDSFY{width:75%;height:24px}._2wgLWvNKnhoJX3DUVT_3F-,._3Q7WCNdCi77r0_CKPoDSFY{background:var(--newCommunityTheme-field);background-size:200%;margin-bottom:16px;border-radius:4px}._2wgLWvNKnhoJX3DUVT_3F-{width:100%;height:46px} This so called "poetry" is absolutely dreadful, pretentious, & thoroughly embarrassing. That is what I mean by poetry being pretentious. If I write, "my grandfather has died and now I am sad." Moon TV: Renowned writer Joe Bennet balks at Leigh Hart’s pretentious poetry. Poetry isn't pretentious. Painting can have utilitarian purposes, but it can also have artistic purposes. I can't say I read much poetry. Reply. Kudos to you, Bennie88, for having an honest question, asking it without fear, engaging in discussion and committing to investigating suggestions given by others. Comments that are only links, jokes or "written upvotes" will be removed. Poetry can be pretentious depending on who is writing and for what purpose. As it was an internet comment, it is actually untitled. In my opinion, I would say that the idea of poetry being pretentious is often connected with the reader not being able to tell how purposely well crafted it is. These arts can be enjoyed on a visceral level, they stimulate the senses, and while they can also be enjoyed on a deeper level through analysis and a developed knowledge of the form, it is not required. Is poetry pretentious? You get to analyze to and it is almost as if they are a puzzle, but they have a special twist so that simple people can read and enjoy them to. I think that this can be applied to poetry. Honorary mention to Dylan Thomas' "Do not go gently into that good night", which is one of my favourite pieces of poetry. Music has its own set of rules. Art is not necessarily supposed to be simple or easy to digest. Poetry can be pretentious depending on who is writing and for what purpose. African poets — at least the majority of the African poets I’ve seen perform around here — don’t “read” or “recite” their poetry… .FIYolDqalszTnjjNfThfT{max-width:256px;white-space:normal;text-align:center} For modern poetry, you have Carol Ann Duffy whom I like a lot. I saw an ancient world that no longer exists, in post-war Britain. Now don’t get me wrong I don’t hate poetry or anything, I just think that poetry is an unnecessarily complex format of expressing yourself. They create a piece of art but they are focusing on what I would call the wrong thing, like trying to keep up with trends, stand out or become as popular as they can. Wordsworth puts it very nicely, poetry is made to please the reader. I hope I managed to share some of my love of poetry with you! When you write poetry you have to always keep a steady rhythm and ryme. They were a singular god. 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I’m not here to say that poetry like that doesn’t exist (just as there is prose that carries these not so admirable qualities as well). I have always been fascinated with the Moon landings and everything NASA. Behaving in an attention-seeking manner via presenting oneself on the surface as being intelligent, provocative, important, avant-garde, humorous or significant, yet harboring ulterior motives, typically involving some form of personal gratification or material gain (e.g. Advertise with NZME. Not too much, I read a bit in preparation for this post, and the minimum required to pass my English GCSE. Ever hear a fisherman's tale where the fish wasn't at least 20ft long and as ferocious in fight as a shark? The spam comments are interesting. ._33axOHPa8DzNnTmwzen-wO{display:block;padding:0 16px;width:100%}.isNotInButtons2020 ._33axOHPa8DzNnTmwzen-wO{font-size:14px;font-weight:700;letter-spacing:.5px;line-height:32px;text-transform:uppercase} Attention devoted followers! Obviously this is all a personal opinion. If you would like to appeal, you must first check if your comment falls into the "Top level comments that are against rule 1" list, before [messaging the moderators by clicking this link](http://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%2Fr%2Fchangemyview&subject=Rule+1+Appeal+Nope_______________&message=Nope_______________+would+like+to+appeal+the+removal+of+his/her+post. In poetry, it is often the different habits that poets have formed throughout time. My Captain! So basically, there is less easily digestible poetry than easily digestible literature around, so the only poetry you hear about and are exposed to is the well regarded critically stuff, which can at least partially correlate to the stuff that gains the most with close analysis, which seems to be what turns you off to the art form (I know I don’t like analyzing poetry. Check out these analyses of "Sailing to Byzantium" by WB Yeats and "The Hollow Men" by TS Eliot to see what I mean. It is supposed, that by the act of writing in verse an Author makes a formal engagement that he will gratify certain known habits of association; that he not only thus apprises the Reader that certain classes of ideas and expressions will be found in his book, but that others will be carefully excluded. Poetry (excluding spoken word performance,) isn’t like that. They who have been accustomed to the gaudiness and inane phraseology of many modern writers, if they persist in reading this book to its conclusion, will, no doubt, frequently have to struggle with feelings of strangeness and awkwardness. And, really good art is often times, usually even, only appreciated by people who have a very sophisticated understanding of the art form. I completely disagree with the statement that making something complicated for the sake of making it complicated makes it better. 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